On 0-41 of Dune; 4
On page 8, the Reverend Mother says, "... the gom jabbar. It kills only animals." - RR
I think, Rubi, that the Reverend Mother was trying to be exact but not literal. The gom jabber as I understood it is merely a very quick and deadly poison which the Reverand Mother holds up to Paul's throat; she is the actual judge (killer) who both defines and identifies humanity . (Which is why she is called specially to Caladan to administer the test.)
in the Herbert universe, i don't think the gom jabbar is about overcoming pain or emotion. like the reverend mother says, pain is just the axis of the test, it's about crisis and the discipline to see the bigger picture. the animal will bear terrible pain to save it's own life ... the human will bear terrible pain to play a role in a larger strategy. - AA
What is the difference, in your mind, between "overcoming emotion" and "discipline"? To me they are almost interchangeable.
i think that makes the baron strikingly human, as i'm pretty sure he'd endure whatever it took to take house Atreides down. - AA
Well put. This makes the book more interesting, as before I was under the impression that human was equated with good, and therefore there would be nothing more to learn from the book. With this view, the book may be exploring humanity and trying to understand the factes of both emotion and reason.
I think, Rubi, that the Reverend Mother was trying to be exact but not literal. The gom jabber as I understood it is merely a very quick and deadly poison which the Reverand Mother holds up to Paul's throat; she is the actual judge (killer) who both defines and identifies humanity . (Which is why she is called specially to Caladan to administer the test.)
in the Herbert universe, i don't think the gom jabbar is about overcoming pain or emotion. like the reverend mother says, pain is just the axis of the test, it's about crisis and the discipline to see the bigger picture. the animal will bear terrible pain to save it's own life ... the human will bear terrible pain to play a role in a larger strategy. - AA
What is the difference, in your mind, between "overcoming emotion" and "discipline"? To me they are almost interchangeable.
i think that makes the baron strikingly human, as i'm pretty sure he'd endure whatever it took to take house Atreides down. - AA
Well put. This makes the book more interesting, as before I was under the impression that human was equated with good, and therefore there would be nothing more to learn from the book. With this view, the book may be exploring humanity and trying to understand the factes of both emotion and reason.
posted by V at 5:38 AM
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